|38 L.I.L. (38 Long Inside Lubricated) Colt
|Showing cavity former that could be reversed for a solid-base bullet, but why?
|Scarce 32 L.I.L. (32 Long Colt)
|Rare British (Pre-1902 .450 Adams), seen on eBay. Note rounded cavity former.
|Early (Pre-1902) 38 L[ong]
|41 L C D A
(Long Colt Double Action -
Pre-1902 seen on eBay)
In response to the above question, I received this from an ARTCA member:
"I have a conjectural answer, which I am not sure I believe. Note that the mould in this example has the
ca. 1902 improvements (sprue-palte pivot screw lock screw and alignment peg and matching recess in the
mould faces). By that date, Colt had (perhaps following S & W's lead with the longer and more potent
Black Powder ".38 Military", which became the smokeless .38 Special) had reduced the groove diameter
of their .38 Long Colt revolvers from the original 0.376" (roughly, the OD of the case for the outside
lubricated, heel-crimped bullet loadings of the early cartridge era) to the inside case diameter - in their
case 0.355" (while the S&W went to 0.357" -0.358"); and requiring an expandable base for use in the
older revolvers. The reversed base plug could be used to cast a slightly heavier plain base slug fitting
the new, smaller groove-diameter barrels at the dawn of the 20th Century.
Unfortunately, like some good-at-first-glance hypotheses, this one falls apart on closer scrutiny. First -
and most obviously - the pointed "pusher" for the bullet sizing orifice - designed for the near-conical
recess in the standard bullet base - would be almost impossible to properly center on a plain-base bullet,
virtually guaranteeing poor sizing results.
But if one takes your hint of reversing the loose but captive base former, flat-side up (most such formers
for shallow hollow bases, in Ideal, Marlin and even early Lyman practice, have a slightly domed lower
end which protrudes slightly below the base of the mould; reversed, these would give a shallow, cupped
base; the dead-flat bases on these tools are somewhat of an anomaly), one gets the result:
that the new, flat base intrudes on the lower of the two grease grooves, giving a significantly shorter, lighter
bullet,with an oddly-rounded "bevel base", 'way before the time when the latter were developed for rapid,
I don't know where I got the idea that the intended use for the cavity-former had a dual purpose as I
haven't seen any mention of it in any of the Ideal catalogs and have yet to run across any mention of a
reloader doing that in any of the old magazines. Nevertheless, those old gun cranks did push the envelope,
so if anyone runs across a mention along this line, I'd been happy to hear it - and post it here.
|Some other calibers in this tool.
|Casts and loads a hollow-base inside lubricated bullet
for cartridges that were initially issued as outside lubricated.
ONLY THE HAIRDRESSER KNOWS
The present owner believes this to be a No. 8 with the mould ground off, as so often shows up. But . . . the
No. 8, as far as is known, was never issued with an adjustable die. On the other hand, the few No. 3s seen in
this caliber have the standard "blunt" bullet-sizing plunger, with the tapered point version seen only in the
Note the combinations of very early die ID number: "40-70", with the "40" being Ideal's reference number
for the caliber and "70" being the bullet design (35870) and "38 L.I.L."
Photos courtesy D. Elliott
|I believe this recent photo proves to me, anyway, that the tool is a No. 3 with the tapered point bullet-sizing stem.
I always wondered if Marlin made a No. 8, so
now another one of Life's Mysteries is solved
- and in a scarce caliber to boot!
|Even scarcer, a variation in caliber designation.
|A Boxed No. 8 in 32 Long Inside Lubricated marked "32 LR"
A very nice boxed set, only the third one seen in 15 years of collecting. Note that the label does not
identify the tool as a Number 8 as in the first example.
Boxes and paperwork are scarcer than the tools due to their fragility, with the decapping tool a close
|Photos courtesy Tom Quigley