UNDER TALCOTT OWNERSHIP 1916 - 1925
Open for discussion and any info - much speculation here. Phineas Talcott bought out the old
Ideal equipment from Marlin and apparently sold the unmarked leftovers, rather than building
tools from scratch. (In 1925 the rights were sold to the Lyman Gunsight Corporation.) Any
The tools below are just submitted as probables. All dies found with the tools have had the
usual Ideal caliber markings and so, are not shown.
|Number 1, 2nd Version - 32 S&W
|Marked with a cryptic "32 " over a faint "&W".
Bullet seating chamber has been cut off and plated. Will still seat the bullet.
Mould is for the standard early 32 S&W slug.
|Number 3 - 45-GOV 405 Large Frame and Die
|The stamping is a giveaway Usually found on Number 6s.
Shows evidence of the mould being ground off, but very nicely done.
Factory or owner?
I'm betting on the former as, with few exceptions, most owner "modifications" I have seen were rough-and-ready.
|Casts the standard 32 S&W Long Bullet.
|Marked "270 W" and is the "swinging hook" version.
|Copied from an old eBay auction that I missed. Still looking for a version of this one.
Caliber 30-06 "Sliding Latch" version. Talcott, Lyman oversight, or Lyman using old Talcott stock? I believe
the latter as tool came in a Lyman box with a full set of dies. The introduction date of the sliding latch came
after Talcott's time, so perhaps Lyman used an unmarked blank and added a sliding latch. ??? Yet another
|The first solid evidence. I recently found this photo in my archives, source unknown now.
Will give credit to any who claim to have posted this scarce document.
|Talcott had a patent for a reloading press, in PDF format, HERE.
This is an early model No. 10 in caliber 38 ACP that came in a Lyman box. Nothing out of the ordinary there,
EXCEPT, the tool is unmarked. The general thinking is that Lyman used up some old Talcott tools just as
Phineas used up earlier Ideals. See above for a similar unmarked No. 10 in caliber 30 US.
An interesting article from the Jan. 1917 issue of National Sportsman magazine regarding the transfer of the
Ideal name and equipment from Marlin to Phineas Talcott, which occurred in Oct. 7, 1916.
|Number 6 Adjustable 45-70-500